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Calmwater22
#61 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:29:10 PM Quote
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please dont leave white horse,merryberry

nras do take longer to reply re emails sure they will when have time.
suggest members as moderators other sites i use do same,then nras could just give guidelines to those moderators rest left to senior moderators.

leaving more time nras focus on raising awareness of RA,improvment Ra care etc.

forum is support for those who can not attend local groups,been lifeline for us all.
melly
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MaryLewis
#62 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:32:41 PM Quote
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has any-one contacted HQ yet?
I would but I am waiting to hear from the hospital
it is awful we are all trying to get to the bottom of this we have sort of begged NRAS to give us an answer but still they have not had the decency to acknowledge us
I am very up-set by this
Mary L
dorat
#63 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:38:25 PM Quote
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I know at least three of us have e-mailed them Mary, no replies yet.

Doreen xx
JulieM
#64 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 2:51:28 PM Quote
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I've emailed too.
YES I'VE CHANGED, PAIN DOES THAT TO PEOPLE.
merryberry
#65 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 3:00:22 PM Quote
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and they are reading it, you can see who is online in a thread below.
jenni_b
#66 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 3:04:22 PM Quote
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I do have the feeling that NRAS have no sense of direction over the forum, moderation or how this community, or any other on line works.

after all we are their largest support group and should be treated as such.

I would really like the PM system back- otherwise not sure what the point was in updating the older style forum.

I really cannot be bothered to fight another cause so this is going to be my one and only post on this matter, but if NRAS are going to leave leave leave things alone and then sledge hammer the lot it does need addressing.

Some people like the light hearted threads.

Some people clearly do not.

If you dont like them, then as long as they abide by the rules then just dont look at them. It isnt that the whole forum is littered with them is it?

There really is something special about NRAS forums. They have changed from the little band of RAers and the feel of the forum is more public and less familial with growth and change, but the PMs allowed the growth of personal bonds between people old and new. I felt the rules were clear about the PMs and if it is a couple of people using and abusing the system then they should be warned and if things continued then their membership of the forum stopped.

Perhaps this is a new idea for NRAS and they just havent considered it?

This moderation question has come up at least 3 times I know of- surely we could just appoint a few and get on with it?

Jenni
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lyn2
#67 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 4:19:38 PM Quote
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iI had no idea what was happening until this pm, surprised to find that someone has been misusing the site, and put everyone else's contributions in jeopardy. I agree with the majority that this person should be removed from the forum. I have a message on here that I can no longer access.

Lyn
Helen-NRAS11
#68 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 4:34:00 PM Quote
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Hi

Thank you for all your comments on the private messaging issue. However, the decision was taken for your own protection and that of NRAS.

When we set up the private messaging facility we had not considered that it would be abused.

It is not possible for individuals to switch off PM and they would be vulnerable to receiving unwanted messages.

We have offered to facilitate communication between members - if you want to get in touch with another forum user – if you give us permission to pass on your email address the person can then choose whether or not to get in touch privately. We do not suggest putting your personal contact details openly on the forum.

We appreciate that some of you would like to access existing PMs and we are now able to switch on this facility temporarily until next Monday to allow you to extract anything you want.

We regret having to take this action but we are responsible for ensuring that everyone who visits the forum feels informed and supported in a positive way.

NRAS Team
dorat
#69 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 4:37:51 PM Quote
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Thankyou for your explanation.

I can no longer contribute to a forum where members are treated in this way.
We do not need protecting, we are all adults.

Doreen xx
amanda_lewin
#70 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:02:33 PM Quote
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The explanation should have been given BEFORE the PM were removed, NOT now.

It is NRAS who run this forum and hence I believe the 'conditions' of the forum should have been stated somewhere.

BUT, no one has ever mentioned money. Unlike other forums we pay for the opportunity to use this facility, don't we, and therefore some of it must be 'owned' by us. As adults we have the capability to decipher what is wrong and what is right and therefore even if there is abuse on the forum, PM or otherwise, we will decide to report it if necessary.

I MUST ADD, even though it will be of no benefit now, that there was blatant abuse going on one one of my threads and that person was never removed and the posts were not omitted.

PM, however, is private and therefore only two people can read whatever has been written so I would say it was in'our best interest' to have intervened with this aforementioned 'abuse'.

Amanda
RedDog
#71 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:07:29 PM Quote
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Helen-NRAS11 wrote:


It is not possible for individuals to switch off PM and they would be vulnerable to receiving unwanted messages.


Well, I don't think that's a good enough argument for withdrawing such a popular facility! The fact that people use the Internet at all leaves them open to receiving unwanted messages ie spam etc. Surely, if you don't like a particular pm most people are able to deal with it by either not answering or telling the sender where to go!!

It seems to me that the above quote is very patronising even though I'm sure it was meant with the best of intentions!


Stewart.
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barbara-o
#72 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:53:31 PM Quote
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Totally agree with the last 3 threads, we are not in a Kinder Garden, why should we have this service removed and suffer the consequences of one individual's actions? Doesn't seem fair to me and a democratic vote should have been made based on the decisions of members of the forum's community.

love,

Barbara
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BarbieGirl
#73 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 6:28:29 PM Quote
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I totally agree, we pay to use this facility, I belong to other sites which do not charge, and am able to use the pm on them. If someone is upset by something, then dont read it!! pm the person back, tell them to get lost! We are not kids!! we should be able to decide who we speak to, not be told by "authority" I am absolutely furious about this!!! how dare you give explanation after the deed is done, and expect us to just swallow it. You will lose many members here, people to have been very helpful and supportive, alot of us have no groups near us, or other kinds of support and rely on the site for it. But obviously that is not your concern, as long as everyone does as they are told, how dare we have a laugh and joke on here!!! that is apparently not on, no giggling, after all we have RA!!! The light hearted posts give us a great laugh, and, may I say, at our expense!!
This whole thing is pathetic, and now you say you are going to let us extract some of the pms, wow how generous of you!! yes, I probably do sound like a petulant teenager, but then, thats how I am being treated isnt it?
BARBARA
joeyvt
#74 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 6:33:16 PM Quote
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I agree.

I don't believe removing the PM facility is the correct way forward. It's permanent removal does more harm than good for all members.

I would implore the Admin team to reconsider as this unilateral decision they have taken is not in line with the wishes of what would appear to be the majority of users of this forum.

Joanna
merryberry
#75 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 6:44:26 PM Quote
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wrong, wrong, wrong.
and for the umpeenth time, not a dickie bird about all the other stuff, re: moderation issues
disappointing answer, to the nth.
although glad it has made the attitude to us and the forum explicit.
going to sleep on it.
and try to be constructive, once more, tomorrow.

MrsWoman
#76 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 6:46:38 PM Quote
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Wow, I have missed a lot here, as been up to my neck in stuff. In the old forum you could have an option of sending an email to another member if they activated it on their profile. I remember doing this as I didnt want to post my home email as anyone can access it (though I forgot that you had to be a member to see the forum).

I quite liked the idea of sending an email to someone especially if the threads got pretty long and it was like tennis bouncing back and forward between 2 people. Maybes its a good idea to find out how other forums moderate. Wasnt there something said way back that NRAS needed more moderators - can one of us do it or whats the criteria for someone to moderate. I think its pretty sad that because of a minority' ignorance he majority loose out. I cant imagine anyone on this forum doing something nasty on purpose. Though Ignorance is not an excuse and as we are so diverse whats upsetting for one is taken by another. I cant comment on what I dont know, but I hope this gets sorted out and common sense prevails.

Mari

PS I am confused theres a pm logo at the bottom of emails and my pms are still in my inbox and I hit the pm and it came up with a new message. I thought the service had been removed?
merryberry
#77 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 6:52:14 PM Quote
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its back til monday to allow us to rip out content we want to keep.
prioryc
#78 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 8:47:07 PM Quote
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Goodness me! Well it can be reinstated then even if temporarily! Perhaps it could then be argued that there is no need to remove the PM facility again. The problem, whatever it was and whatever it involved, is obviously not so serious that PM is a complete no, no.

We are adults on the forum, with few exceptions, and unless one of the 'exceptions' has been targeted in an abusive fashion, I cannot imagine any situation so serious that we all have to be punished. Any PM any member receives can be dealt with, I should imagine, by that member. Any response should be between the individuals concerned and not involve the whole membership of the forum. We are all more than able to chat on threads passing opinions and expressing ourselves very well so I am sure that the same applies on the PM facility. Leave the PM facility as it is NRAS please.

As for the offensive thread, well we don't know (or do we?) what that is. I await the revelation with interest.

However, can we just wait and see what comes next now. Lots of us on the forum are having other kinds of difficulties. We have seen postings highlighting these lately. Can we please e mail our thoughts to NRAS leadership through the e mail address given on their contact page and let it drop on the forum.

I am conscious how easy it would be to drop our membership, which is not only for our personal benefit but also for the mutual benefit of us all. Please do not leave. lets carry on as a united forum, non judgemental although feeling aggrieved as we do. NRAS will be better able to deal with us on a one-to-one basis via e mail and we will not get so upset as we have been doing. Lets consider the feelings and fragile conditions of many of our forum friends, as well as new members, be dignified and drop this topic on the public forum.

perhaps, we should express in our personal e mails just what we think needs to be done in the longer term and NRAS may want to convene a meeting including some of us re the future of the forum.

SUMMARY: Frail and vulnerable members are becoming upset not only by the action of removing the PM and insinuating that something else is to be removed, but by this thread.
New members will wonder why they bothered join.
Lets get back to the business of supporting each other and lets try to take a longer term view of this.

Eleanor x
madam butterfly
#79 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 9:26:21 PM Quote
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I think i have been in a coma for a while,ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZAs i have just noticed this private messaging, clicked on, and its gone! I can see you all feel very strongly about this, and i am saying, BRING IT BACK! & PLEASE DONT LEAVE.
Anne-Marie. xxx
Anthea1948
#80 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 9:32:32 PM Quote
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Well, I didn't know they'd gone at all, mainly because I can still send them, so have they come back or something?
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